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01/31/2012 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE


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*+ SB 155 EXTENDING CERTAIN BOARDS & COMMISSIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 155 Out of Committee
+ SB 150 MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 150(STA) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= SB 158 REAL ESTATE SALES LICENSEES
Moved CSSB 158(L&C) Out of Committee
                SB 150-MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:34:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN announced  SB 150 to be up for  consideration. He said                                                               
that they would take up CSSB 150(STA) [labeled 27-LS1117\T].                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:34:54 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease from 1:34:54 to 1:36:22 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:36:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI,   sponsor  of   SB  150,   explained  that                                                               
separating  service members  leave the  military with  documented                                                               
training, experience  and education that often  prepares them for                                                               
civilian employment.  However, this  documentation is  not always                                                               
used by state entities to  qualify them for licenses required for                                                               
their  occupation  or  to  provide  them  with  academic  credit.                                                               
According to  data prepared by  the Department of  Defense (DOD),                                                               
as  of June  2011, 1  million  veterans were  unemployed and  the                                                               
jobless rate for  post 9/11 veterans was 13.3  percent with young                                                               
male  veterans experiencing  an  unemployment rate  of around  22                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  said  a number  of  states  are  considering or  have  passed                                                               
similar legislation  to this. This  bill requires  the Department                                                               
of Commerce  and applicable boards to  accept military education,                                                               
training  and  services as  equivalent  to  some  or all  of  the                                                               
qualifications  required   while  applying   for  a   license  or                                                               
certificate. It  authorizes the issuance  of a  temporary license                                                               
or  certificate  for  active  duty service  members  who  had  an                                                               
equivalent license  or certificate  issued by another  state, and                                                               
it  requires  the president  of  the  University of  Alaska,  the                                                               
Alaska Commission on Post-Secondary  Education and the Department                                                               
of  Labor and  Workforce Development  to implement  a policy  and                                                               
procedure for the acceptance of  military education, training and                                                               
service credit as academic credit  toward a degree or a technical                                                               
program offered at  the University. He noted  that the Department                                                               
of Commerce,  Community and  Economic Development  (DCCED) worked                                                               
with them  so that the cost  could be lowered so  the fiscal note                                                               
is  zero. Other  states have  implemented this  bill with  a zero                                                               
fiscal  note.  He said  this  is  the  top  priority for  the  US                                                               
Department of Defense.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:39:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  O'HARE,  Deputy  Director,  Homeland  Security/Emergency                                                               
Management,  Department of  Military &  Veterans Affairs  (DMVA),                                                               
Ft.  Richardson,   Alaska,  said  he  was   available  to  answer                                                               
questions on SB 150.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:39:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  SAN  SOUCI,  Department of  Defense  Regional  Liaison  for                                                               
Military  Families  for the  Northwest,  working  for the  Deputy                                                               
Assistant Secretary  of Defense  for Military Family  & Community                                                               
Policy, said the department supported  SB 150. He said as Senator                                                               
Wielechowski mentioned  last year,  with over 1  million veterans                                                               
unemployed and a post 9/11  unemployment rate of 13.3 percent and                                                               
an  unemployment rate  for 18  to 24  year old  veterans at  21.9                                                               
percent, the  Department of Defense  began supporting  efforts in                                                               
the states to give separating  service members credit so they may                                                               
not be held  back from finding employment or  finishing a degree.                                                               
They  are  asking  states  to   establish  policies  that  ensure                                                               
separating  service members  do not  have to  repeat requirements                                                               
they  may have  already  completed during  a  military career  to                                                               
obtain academic credit or an occupational license.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said  last year  four states  enacted new  laws to  help grant                                                               
veterans credit  towards licensing in  academics. So far,  in the                                                               
2012 session,  15 other states  have had 27 bills  resembling the                                                               
one before them  today. They are not asking  for direct licensure                                                               
if it's  not equivalent in  cases where the regulatory  agency or                                                               
board  determines partial  credit; they  are only  seeking credit                                                               
where credit is due.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SAN  SOUCI  said  they  should  consider  that  a  veteran's                                                               
training with  the DOD has already  been paid for just  by paying                                                               
federal taxes. Also,  the more credit given to  a veteran towards                                                               
licensing or  a degree  or certification,  the more  school slots                                                               
can  be  made  available  to   civilians  especially  in  Alaskan                                                               
programs that may have waiting lists.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said the  DOD is working feverishly with the  US Department of                                                               
Labor to  link service transcripts  of military  occupations with                                                               
private  sector licensing  requirements while  also asking  state                                                               
regulatory authorities  in pilot  states of  Washington, Illinois                                                               
and Maryland  to review select military  occupations to determine                                                               
whether the training and experience  is sufficient to be rendered                                                               
useful in determining licensing  credit in given occupations. The                                                               
DOD is  also working with  the military services to  simplify the                                                               
processing of  academic transcripts  to help with  the evaluation                                                               
of academics with the higher institutions of learning.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SAN  SOUCI said Alaska is  home to thousands of  veterans and                                                               
is  a  desired  location  for  separating  and  retired  military                                                               
members when choosing  where to live after  leaving the military.                                                               
A 2010  study by the  Defense Manpower Data Center  showed Alaska                                                               
had 1,286 military  people separate to become  veterans or retire                                                               
from the military  and move back to Alaska and  call it home. So,                                                               
Alaska  can expect  many highly  qualified ex-military  people to                                                               
continue to enjoy its quality of  life, and many will continue to                                                               
choose Alaska  when they  want to  transition into  civilian life                                                               
and careers.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said  Washington  State  has   two  bills,  one  for  medical                                                               
occupations  and one  for non-medical  occupations and  they went                                                               
into  law   last  July.  They   are  considered   best  practices                                                               
legislation and  the bill in front  of them is very  much modeled                                                               
after  them.  He asked  that  Alaska  join  the 15  other  states                                                               
considering passing policy to help  veterans along with the other                                                               
four that did last year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:44:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MENARD asked  if the  argument has  been made  that many                                                               
people need the  same popular classes and if  military people get                                                               
credit  for  IT, for  instance,  other  people could  have  those                                                               
classroom  slots.  Often  classes  are closed  because  too  many                                                               
people need them for their degree.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WIELECHOWSKI  said   that   was  a   great  point   and                                                               
theoretically  it would  open up  more space  for people  to take                                                               
classes, but  the main thing  they are trying  to do is  to avoid                                                               
duplication.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:47:18 PM                                                                                                                    
RIC   DAVIDGE,  Vietnam   Veterans  of   America,  Chapter   904,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska, said  they support  SB 150.  He said  he also                                                               
serves  as  National  Director  of  Government  Affairs  for  the                                                               
Vietnam  Veterans of  America.  He said  they  are interested  in                                                               
shortening  the  time  between   separation  and  employment.  If                                                               
existing  and already  recognized  skills and  training could  be                                                               
recognized  in the  professional  community,  that shortens  that                                                               
time up.  The University is  making great efforts  to accommodate                                                               
veterans in this  respect and their Veterans  Service officers on                                                               
the Fairbanks Campus report this issue is going extremely well.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:49:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRIS  CHRISTENSEN, Associate  Vice  President, State  Relations,                                                               
University of  Alaska, said he was  here to talk about  section 2                                                               
in  SB 150,  which directs  the University's  president to  adopt                                                               
policies and  procedures to award  credit for  military training,                                                               
service and education. He began  by noting that the University is                                                               
committed to  offering quality educational experiences  to active                                                               
military veterans and  their dependents.  GI Jobs,  a magazine in                                                               
"Web Portal"  that exists  specifically to  serve people  who are                                                               
transitioning  from the  military  back into  civilian life,  has                                                               
designated  both  UAA  and  UAF  as  GI  Jobs  military  friendly                                                               
schools. The significance of this is  that only 15 percent of all                                                               
the colleges, universities and vocational  schools in the country                                                               
were able to  receive that rating from that entity.  He said that                                                               
is  a "pretty  sad commentary"  on the  military friendliness  of                                                               
schools down  in the  Lower 48  and that's  probably why  the DOD                                                               
feels it's necessary to push this in the various states.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said WebPortalGuidetoOn-LineSchools.com,  a very comprehensive                                                               
authority  on  distance  education  and  on-line  learning,  just                                                               
released its 2012 rankings of  military friendly on-line schools.                                                               
And  out of  the  multitude  of schools  that  offer on-line  and                                                               
distance  education, UAA  was rated  number five.  As the  entity                                                               
that  made that  rating  possible by  its  funding decisions  and                                                               
other  support the  legislature should  be proud  of the  part it                                                               
played.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
While trying  to learn  the University system  over the  last few                                                               
months, the single  issue Mr. Christensen said he  has heard most                                                               
about  is transfer  of  credit. It's  a  contentious issue  where                                                               
everyone has a  story or an opinion; military  transfer credit is                                                               
just a  piece of this  bigger issue. The  Board of Regents  has a                                                               
written  policy that  the campuses  must accept  in transfers  as                                                               
much  credit as  is  appropriate  to a  student's  new degree  in                                                               
graduation  requirements.  All  three campuses  have  established                                                               
transfer  credit policies  designed  to give  maximum credit  for                                                               
courses and training taken  elsewhere, specifically including the                                                               
military. He reminded  them that a degree from  an institution is                                                               
a representation  to potential employers  and to others  that the                                                               
holder has  actually learned what  the degree stands for  and can                                                               
do the things it says they can do.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN said their credit  transfer policies have evolved                                                               
over time  for streamlining while still  protecting the integrity                                                               
of the  degree. It  is a  work in progress  and the  policies are                                                               
continually tweaked to make them more student-friendly.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:52:54 PM                                                                                                                    
They believe  awarding appropriate  credit for  military training                                                               
is one of their basic  responsibilities. But there are actually a                                                               
lot of  misconceptions in  the building about  what UA  does with                                                               
respect  to  accepting  military   credits.  All  three  campuses                                                               
transfer  credit based  on recommendations  made by  the American                                                               
Council of Education  (ACE) that has been in  existence since the                                                               
end of  World War II.  It has had an  agreement with DOD  for the                                                               
last 65 years to review  military training and experience for the                                                               
award of equivalent college  credit - essentially recommendations                                                               
on what  military service is  the equivalent of  civilian college                                                               
credit  -   that  is  currently   being  used  by   thousands  of                                                               
universities and colleges around the country.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN said each of  the University's three campuses has                                                               
a written agreement with the  DOD to use the ACE recommendations.                                                               
The  three  campuses are  also  members  of the  Service  Members                                                               
Opportunity  Colleges (SOC),  a consortium  of 1900  colleges and                                                               
universities  that enroll  active  military,  veterans and  their                                                               
dependents  in  special  degree  programs.  The  purpose  of  the                                                               
consortium is to  let military folks actually  get degrees rather                                                               
than  just accumulate  credits as  they moved  from base  to base                                                               
around the country  and around the world. In order  to be members                                                               
of this  consortium the campuses  had to sign  written agreements                                                               
easing  the   transferability  of   credit  between   the  member                                                               
institutions.  They even  had to  agree  to limit  the number  of                                                               
credits required of military students  at the campuses to get one                                                               
of their degrees. For example,  at UAA a military student getting                                                               
a  SOC Associates  Degree (AA)  is only  required to  take 3  UAA                                                               
credits on  campus; all the  other credits in the  SOC consortium                                                               
will be accepted.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He said  the schools do  not have a  limitation on the  number of                                                               
military transfer  credits that they  will accept, but  they used                                                               
to. UAA did  away with that as  recently as last year  as part of                                                               
its continual process  to review how things are done  and to make                                                               
it more student friendly.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Right now,  UAF is in  the process  of developing a  minor degree                                                               
based on typical military credits,  the kind that most servicemen                                                               
would just  automatically have, which  can be used to  satisfy up                                                               
to 18 credits towards any bachelor's degree.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN said he could go  on and on, but bottom line last                                                               
year UAA  alone awarded  over 15,000  credits to  service members                                                               
for training, education  and even for time spent  in the service.                                                               
Approximately  99.5   percent  of   the  military   students  who                                                               
requested transfer  credit were  given that credit.  He concluded                                                               
saying that Alaska is widely known  to service members as a state                                                               
that welcomes and appreciates the military.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD asked  if he  agreed that  Alaska is  superior in                                                               
military  friendliness,  because  we have  every  single  service                                                               
branch here.  We are in  the top 15  percent of most  friendly to                                                               
military states in the nation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:57:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. CHRISTENSEN said he agreed,  and added that the military know                                                               
they are appreciated here.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL thanked him and  said the University had sent her                                                               
a  four-page  letter  enumerating  all the  proactive  steps  the                                                               
University had taken on this issue, and she thanked them.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTENSEN responded that he  participated in the writing of                                                               
that letter  and actually  in the interests  of brevity  the list                                                               
was cut way down to four pages.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR PASKVAN said it's wonderful that  Alaska is in the top 15                                                               
percent, but he said the University  has a system in place and he                                                               
didn't want  this to  interfere with  it. His  belief is  that it                                                               
doesn't, but he  wanted assurance. He noted  specifically on page                                                               
1,  line 9,  it  says "shall  accept" and  the  applicant has  to                                                               
provide "satisfactory evidence of  successful completion", and on                                                               
page 4,  lines 17 and 18,  it says those transfers  have to "meet                                                               
the requirements  of the accrediting  body of the  institution or                                                               
the commission."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTIANSON responded,  "I think you are  accurate." He said                                                               
the bill  has been  drafted to instruct  the university  to adopt                                                               
procedures for  the acceptance of  relevant credit and  they have                                                               
signed agreements with the DOD to  use the ACE system for members                                                               
of the SOC.  He is assuming they will continue  to do things much                                                               
the way  they have done  with the  ever-present eye to  seeing if                                                               
they can do  things better, and just the review  of this bill has                                                               
done that.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN  remarked that this  bill reflects the  policy of                                                               
the  State of  Alaska,  not  only the  University,  and moved  to                                                               
report CSSB 150 (L&C), version  T, from committee with individual                                                               
recommendations and attached zero fiscal note.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL said the fiscal  note is zero for the University,                                                               
but the DCCED  has one of $207.8, because regulations  need to be                                                               
written  by the  Department of  Commerce, Community  and Economic                                                               
Development (DCCED).                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN  amended the motion to  "attached multiple fiscal                                                               
notes." There  were no objections  and CSSB 150 (L&C)  moved from                                                               
Senate Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                   

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 155 Enrolled HB 126.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
HB 126
SB 155
SB 155 Parnell Veto msg HB 126.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
HB 126
SB 155
SB 155.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Sponsor Statement.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Sectional Analysis.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB155-DNR-DGGS-01-27-12.pdf SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Leg Audit Bd of Barbers and Hairdressers.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Leg Audit Board of Nursing.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Leg Audit ABC Board.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Leg Audit Board of Dental Examiners.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Leg Audit Big Game Commercial Services Board.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 Leg Audit Alaska Seismic Hazards Safety Commission.PDF SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 155
CS SB150 (STA) memo of changes.pdf SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB150-DOL-Fiscal Note-1-20-12.pdf SL&C 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
SB 150